Ben Stein Is A Big Fat Idiot
Posted by That Other Mike on 20/11/2007
Well, that may not be fair. He certainly isn’t that tall, so big fat idiot might not be accurate. Hmmm. And looking at his picture, he doesn’t seem particularly fat, I guess. Which leaves us with idiot.
I think that one’s justifiable, on the statement apparently given to promote his new Creationism-pimping film, Expelled (Note to all readers: this statement was seen at the Parsley Patch, which is why I don’t got no linkage).
“I am a Jew, and every single one of my ancestors was Jewish.
Great. Until you get back to pre-Sapiens, of course.
I don’t like getting pushed around for being a Jew, and I don’t think Christians like getting pushed around for being Christians.
Sure, why not? That seems reasonable.
I think people who believe in God are sick and tired of getting pushed around, period.
BZZZZZZZZZZT! Oops. Three sentences in, and Ben stopped being reasonable. Let’s hear how Christians are pushed around, Ben. Is it not being able to impose their religion on everyone else?* Is it not being able to push religion into a science class?
I have no idea where the concept came from that America is an explicitly atheist country.
From your own twisted little brain, Benala. That’s what we thinking people call a strawman – where you construct a false version of someone else’s position, set fire to it and then claim victory. Nobody claimed that America was supposed to be Atheist. What lots of very much smarter people than you said was that America is supposed to be secular. You may have heard of it; it means religiously neutral. You know the word; it’s what you depend upon to be able to air your religious views without fear of state reprisal when they’re not the right ones.
I can’t find it in the Constitution
I can help! It’s the part that starts Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion. You are welcome!
and I don’t like it being shoved down my throat.
Just like oral sex.
Or maybe I can put it another way: where did the idea come from that we should worship Nick and Jessica and we aren’t allowed to worship God as we understand Him? I guess that’s a sign that I’m getting old, too.
No, that’s a sign (in green neon) that says “Strawman Ahead!” Motorists beware.
But there are a lot of us who are wondering where Nick and Jessica came from and where the America we knew went to. In light of the many jokes we send to one another for a laugh, this is a little different: This is not intended to be a joke; it’s not funny, it’s intended to get you thinking.
Well, that’s good. Ben is notoriously short on funny.
Billy Graham’s daughter was interviewed on the Early Show and Clayson asked her “How could God let something like this happen?”(regarding Katrina) Anne Graham gave an extremely profound andinsightful response. She said, “I believe God is deeply saddened by this, just as we are, but for years we’ve been telling God to get
out of our schools, to get out of our government and to get out of our
lives. And being the gentleman He is, I believe He has calmly backed out.
How can we expect God to give us His blessing and His protection if we demand He leave us alone?”
Yes, folks, that’s the best response anyone’s ever offered to the argument from evil, and it sucks mightily. Apparently the all-loving, all-merciful God has taken His Ball And Gone Home In A Snit over 30 years or so of religiously-neutral government. What a swell Guy!</sarcastic emulation of religious capitalisation>
In light of recent events…terrorists attack, school shootings,
etc. I think it started when Madeleine Murray O’Hare (she was murdered, her body found recently) complained she didn’t want prayer in our
schools, and we said OK.
Poor old Maddy has come in for a lot of stick over the years. For what it’s worth, prior to Engel v. Vitale, the Supreme Court decision which definitively ended teacher-led school prayer throughout the USA, various State Supreme Courts had declared mandatory prayer un-Constitutional; Iowa, for example, did so in 1910, and by 1962, the year of the SCOTUS decision, only 5 States had required Bible reading laws on the books, 25 had it as an option, and 11 had declared it un-Constitutional. The remainder had no laws on the subject. Clearly, the trend was in favour of a voluntary phasing out of mandatory prayer.
Another issue here, where Stein is clearly lying, is that the relevant decisions (Engel v. Vitale, Abington Township School District v. Schempp) which did away with forced Bible-reading only peripherally involved O’Hair. The case she was famous for was Murray v. Curlett, which was amalgamated into Schempp by the time it reached the SCOTUS.
While we’re on the subject, O’Hair’s disappearance was roundly ignored by the Austin PD and FBI. Nice going, Christians! Way to show morality.
Then someone said you better not read the Bible at school.
Liar. Truly voluntary religious activities in schools have never been illegal, and never will be.
The Bible says thou shalt not kill, thou shalt not steal, and love your neighbor as yourself.
It also says that God murdered the entire world in a flood in a fit of anger, shows Moses murdering someone in secret and says that anyone who curses should be executed. Want to trade some more Bible quotes, Ben?
Then Dr. Benjamin Spock said we shouldn’t spank our children when
they misbehave because their little personalities would be warped and wemight damage their self-esteem (Dr. Spock’s son committed suicide).
First, anyone who can’t solve a problem without resorting in the first instance to violence has no business claiming anything about morality; second, beating children? What the hell is wrong with you? A child is smaller than you, more easily harmed and fragile in so many other ways; anyone who beats his child is a bully who isn’t doing anything but claiming that violence is an acceptable solution when faced with a problem. Someone does something you don’t like? Why not just beat him senseless? That’ll teach him some manners!
If people went around in adult society treating each other that way, I think Ben would have something to say about that; he’d probably blame it on Atheism, of course.
Oh, and Dr Spock’s son did not commit suicide. His grandson, Peter, did; he was a long-term schizophrenic. Frankly, Ben’s use of him as political capital is disgusting, not to mention a lie; I guess his adherence to Biblical morality doesn’t extend to the prohibition on lying.
We said an expert should know what he’s talking about. And we said OK.
Ironically, here Ben is using his celebrity to give the guise of expertise. And so, unknowingly, he sort of proves his point; don’t pay attention to some guy who tries to act like he’s some kind of superior intellect, because he’s frequently a jackass.
Now we’re asking ourselves why our children have no conscience, why they don’t know right from wrong, and why it doesn’t bother them to kill strangers, their classmates, and themselves. Probably, if we think about it long and hard enough, we can figure it out. I think it has a great deal to do with “WE REAP WHAT WE SOW.”
You thought wrong; giving you the benefit of the doubt that you actually thought about this crap before you wrote it, Ben, you still didn’t get any of it right. The only part of it that is halfway right is the reaping-what-you-sowed-ing; the kind of economic policy people like you advocate causes poverty and the social ills that go with it. That, little Ben, is what is causing murder in the classroom, not some made-up crisis about a silly little book.
Funny how simple it is for people to trash God and then wonder why the world’s going to hell. Funny how we believe what the newspapers say, but question what the Bible says….”
Honestly and respectfully,
Wrong on both counts; I don’t count insulting my intelligence as any kind of respect, and you lied all the way through.
The only part he got right was his name.
Let’s face it, folks; the world will be going to hell in a handbasket when we let a lying, Nixon-apologising, two bit actor like Ben Stein lecture us on morality.
And the greatest irony of all? The tagline for “Expelled” is
No intelligence allowed
* I know that most Christians don’t do this. Most Christians are moderate, relatively sane people.