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Christian Communism

Posted by That Other Mike on 25/11/2007

This is from a comments thread elsewhere. I just thought it bore mentioning, out of interest.

Militant atheism is a doctrinally essential driving force behind the modern communism that has killed many millions in my lifetime. You may not like it, but it is so.

*sigh* No, it isn’t, as much you’d like it to be. The Soviets, Chinese etc weren’t killing people because they were religious or because they refused to “accept the truth of Atheism” or whatever; they killed them in the name of their pretend Communism, which was incidentally Atheist. There can be and have been many varieties of Christian Communists, even to this day; I refer you to Acts Ch. 2, v. 42-45, and Ch. 4, v. 32-27; as well as the True Levellers (aka, the Diggers) founded by Gerard Winstanley; the Mormon community under Brigham Young in Orderville; the League of the Just in Europe during the 1840s; the statement by the French Bishop Pierre Théas that “[t]he revolution must succeed, but it can succeed only if the Church enters the fray, bringing the Gospel. After being liberated from Nazi dictatorship, we want to liberate the working class from capitalist slavery”; Liberation Theology; and the Icarian movement in 19thC France.

One can also draw on various Gospel quotations to support Christian Communism.

In short, Communism is not Atheism, and vice versa.

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20 Responses to “Christian Communism”

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  2. Selena Parsley said

    I’ve been praying for you. Did you get “saved” yet? J/kidding 🙂

  3. mek1980 said

    Not without major brain surgery…

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    Just messing. 😀

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  6. william said

    Christian Communism is a worthy topic of study in my opinion. Didn’t Jesus teach it and His disciples – along with the early Christian Church in Acts – practice it? Matthew 19:20-27; Acts 2:44-45; 4:32-35.

    I believe the only reason communism hasn’t succeeded is because it hasn’t been done correctly. Atheists, tyrants, and pagans seem to screw it up every time.

    There’s an interesting discussion going on, at http://www.imminst.org/forum/Christian-Com…-II-t19409.html, about the merits of Christian Communism and its potential to solve the problem of the technological singularity and to make it possible to live out radically extended lifespans just as the Bible prophesies for the Millennium and beyond. Isaiah 65:20-25; Revelation 21:3-4.

    May be serious Christians should consider living communally and reaping the benefits of living life simply with less material possessions. It certainly would solve a lot of problems to do so.

    Here’s the links to two You Tube videos about Singularity Institute for Artificial Intelligence and Surviving the Singularity, at http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0A9pGhwQbS0 and http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YDqaMFHGEZ8.

    Also, at http://www.imminst.org/forum/index.php?sho…=19360&st=0, is a thread and video about the the first conference on Artificial General Intelligence to be held on March 1-3, 2008 at Memphis University. It sure would be nice if a fairly large number of Christian youth could petition the conference in favor of a biblical solution for the technological singularity. The Singularity Institute for Artificial Intelligence could be petitioned as well.

  7. Selena Parsley said

    What the heck?!?!?

  8. Mike said

    Christian Transhumanism… You’ve got to love the weirdness of that.

  9. Just for the record; there is alot of sematics about it but, Mormanism is a heresy of Christianity and not considered as “Christian” by most Christians. The various denomenations generally accept one another as Christian (with differing views) but not Mormanism.

  10. Mike said

    Hey, fella! How are you? Long time etc.

    Heresy is a fluid term; Pentecostalism would have been called heresy at one point, and a lot of modern Christianity, with its extreme focus on Jesus to the exclusion of the other persons of the Trinity, verges on a kind of Sabellianism.

  11. There are very few non-fluid terms. English is an imperfect language, we have to make do with what we’ve got.

  12. Mike said

    Well, exactly. One person’s heresy is another’s revealed word of God.

    Comment suggested by the missus about this:

    The various denomenations generally accept one another as Christian (with differing views) but not Mormanism.

    Various Protestant denominations, Baptists in particular, routinely call Roman Catholics the “Anti-Christ” and say that Roman Catholicism is’t Christianity at all.

  13. Selena Parsley said

    “Various Protestant denominations, Baptists in particular, routinely call Roman Catholics the “Anti-Christ” and say that Roman Catholicism is’t Christianity at all.”

    I have to agree with Mike. I went to a non-denominational church when I first started going to church and the pastor had sermons attacking other “Christian.” Catholics because they “worshipped Mary.” Southern Baptist was attacked because of their involvement in the Southern Baptist Convention, which doesn’t make any sense to me,but anyway. “Charismatics” were attacked since they “talk in tongues”, etc. The list does go on and on.

    There are huge amounts of division among people who claim to believe in peace and “loving one another.” It’s very embarrassing as a believer. One more reason for people not to believe! People are tied up in THEIR flavor of religion. I hate religion.

  14. Hold on, I agree with both of you. There is no question that those things happen. I was speaking in terms of generalities. Just as there can be little doubt that many Baptists call Roman Catholics anti-Christ, so there can be litttle doubt that Baptists and Catholics generally agree that Mormans are not Chirstian.

    I hate religion with a passion, it gets in the way of knowing God.

    Mormanism is so far removed from Catholicism, various protestent groups, Orthodox Christianity, or any other “Christian” doctrine that I can think of as to be a distinct religion. There are literally volumes of difference.

    Here are a sampling,

    In Christianity salvation is through Jesus, and only Jesus. This is doctrine in Catholic and protestent denomenations and is the litmus test for being “Christian.” In Mormanism salvation comes from Jesus and Joseph Smith. “No man can reject that (Joseph Smith’s) testimony without incurring the most dreadful consequences, for he cannot enter the Kingdom of God.” – Joseph Smith, talking about himself in “The Pearl of Great Price”, one of the Sacred books in Mormanism.

    Morman’s believe in the Bible (though they have their own edited version of it, via Joseph Smith) but their other three sacred texts and the word of the living prophet are more reliable because they believe the Catholic church corrupted and lost parts of the Bible.

    In the famous “King Follett” serman, Smith states that there are multiple gods (polytheism), that God was once a man, and that some men will become gods.

    I would like to say that Mitt Romney gained some respect in my book when he made his “JFK” speech on his religion. He did NOT try to make the case that Mormanism is Christian. It certainly would have helped him in his campaign, to make that connection if there was one.

  15. In the third paragraph aove, there should be a comma between “of” and “as.”

  16. Mike's Girl said

    Hold on, I agree with both of you. There is no question that those things happen. I was speaking in terms of generalities. – Joseph W. Kraft

    I hadn’t sensed any disagreement at all. I thought your comment about Mormons was spot on. When I suggested the comment to Mike, it was only to expand on the point you had made. And now you’ve expanded it even further.

    I enjoy this topic very much, and you’ve made some excellent observations.

  17. J W Kraft said

    Hello Mike’s Girl. Oh thanks, I misunderstood. My mistake. Ok now I see.

  18. Mike said

    Kraft smart.

    *kudos to anyone who gets the WoT reference*

  19. Mike's Girl said

    Nah… I wasn’t exactly clear, myself. Sorry about that.

    It wasn’t a waste, though. It got another insightful post out of ya’. 🙂

  20. Selena Parsley said

    Jospeh~ In the third paragraph above, there should be a comma between “of” and “as.”

    I would have never noticed! Look at mine: “talk in tongues”, etc. Comma goes in the quotes! I wish wordpress would allow people who have an account to edit our blunders.

    Mike~ Kraft smart.

    *kudos to anyone who gets the WoT reference*

    We give up….

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