Fools, damned fools and Christians
Posted by That Other Mike on 27/07/2008
My wife is trying to kill me. She must be, because she keeps telling me to look at stuff which is so profoundly stupid that it makes my brain crinkle and go phutphut.
Like just the other day, when she was comment surfing and ended up at a blog called What I Really Think, which spectacularly fails to live up to the verb in its name, although the URL seems entirely appropriate. I swear, I keep expecting to look at the screen and see that it’s written in crayon.
Funnies, though – the writer doesn’t seem to realise that she has a pride flag in her header.
Anyway, the post which Lottie directed me to is called Atheists Are Fools. And see, it’s this kind of thing that makes me suspect that there’s some kind of conspiracy of Atheists going around whispering ideas in Christians’ ears in order to make them look terribly dumb.
The Bible says that “The Fool says in his heart ‘there is no God.’” (Psalm 53:1)
The Bible also says a talking snake told a woman not to eat a fruit which would give her knowledge of good and evil. A talking snake. A. Talking. Snake.
I am trying to decide what to do about debating with Atheists.
Stop trying because you suck at it? If this is the best you’ve got, you need to start thinking about getting a new hobby.
I want to reach out, but I have found that Atheists are pretty dogmatically committed to their positions.
Yeah, see… You can’t be dogmatic without dogma. Most Atheists are pretty committed – mainly because we have the tendency to actually think about this stuff before we start telling all and sundry that it’s a good idea. Another reason is being surrounded on all sides by people telling you that something which you’ve examined very carefully and come to reasonably is wrong, despite all evidence; that tends to put people’s backs up a little.
That’s ignoring the fact that you immediately lost the argument right there.
Ironically, if they had humility, they would be Agnostic and admit that they do not know.
Score one for the stupid. Agnosticism is an epistemological position; to save your having to look it up, that means it’s a position related to knowledge. You know what else it is? It’s a cop out. It’s special pleading, which, again to save your looking it up, means giving a get out of jail free card to something. In other words, you say, “Ah, but this is different!” Agnosticism does that with gods; it says that god-belief should be treated with some kind of special reverence. Screw that. If you can’t show any evidence for it and if in fact the evidence goes entirely against it, I’m calling it wrong.
I am capable of an intelligent conversation with just about anyone,
I was going to be really unpleasant about this one, but frankly, with a feed line that easy, the actual joke just becomes redundant.
But the Atheists that I have met are some of the most dogmatic people out there. They have come up with the ridiculous notion that not only does God not exist, but they know this. Know? How is it that they know?
They know because the “burden of proof is on the Theist.”
Tell you what, you find me someone dumb enough to have said exactly this, and I will personally kick him or her out of the non-existent Atheists’ Club while eating the sap’s membership card.
Interesting. They know that God does not exist because they do not feel that Theists have proven God’s existence.
That’s part of it, for sure, but the real kicker is that your god is incoherent. It’s like being told a shape is a square circle, or that something is green and at the same time pure white. If its attributes are completely incoherent and contradictory, we can call it a day on its existence.
Bizarre. Theists having not proven something doesn’t make it false. God either is or He isn’t, regardless of what any of us think.
So… Then what was the point of your little screed?
The Universe is huge. The knowledge out there is far beyond the capacity of any one human being. To say that one knows God doesn’t exist implies that one has all knowledge.
No, it doesn’t, you idiot. Let’s go over this again: if your god is said to have incompatible properties or be otherwise incoherent, its existence can be dismissed. For example, your god is claimed to have infinite power, knowledge of all time and space and definite prophecies while still allowing free will; this is incoherent, because free will cannot exist in that system. You claim objective morality for your god but Euthyphro took care of this problem centuries ago; you claim perfect goodness and power for it, yet the problem of evil still exists. This is just off the top of my head.
Your god is incoherent, illogical and makes no sense.
Atheists do not know God does not exist.
Sure we do! See the above paragraph.
God is not illogical.
Teaching God to children is not child abuse (Sorry Mr. Dawkins).
Because consistently lying to children doesn’t count as abuse? Consistently telling children that the smallest moral infractions will cause them to be punished in agonising pain for all eternity? That not believing in something which cannot be seen, touched, smelled or in fact at all factually attested to will get them the same punishment? Yeah, right. Nothing abusive there.
Atheism is foolish. Stay away from it.
Ahahaha. It is to laugh. Seriously, if we’re fools, then I’m happy with foolishness. If being intelligent and reasonable is foolish, I am a big fool.
I assert that God’s existence is obvious.
I assert the opposite, and what’s more, I have reality on my side.
We all actually know He is there. I don’t have to prove it because everyone already knows it to be true. All 6 billion of us. We may not understand God, we may struggle with feelings of doubt, but by design we crave Him and know that He is there.
Actually, you’re feeling the FSM. He was just too shy and retiring to show his noodley goodness. Ahem. Your argument is simply a pile of toss. You’re begging the question: you assume your god already exists, and so duck out of making a real argument. Weaker than airport coffee, your argument fails. You asserted something; you have to back it up, same as the rest of us.
Creation testifies about God.
Teleological bollocks. Bollocks with which, I might add, I have dealt before.
The yearning in our beings to Know God testifies about God.
The Holy Spirit testifies about God.
Don’t cut yourself off from your destiny of Knowing God by Foolish Human Reasoning. My theory is that people choose Atheism either because they are bitter with and hate God for some reason or another, or they want to live in a way that contradicts God’s ways, and thus have to deny His existence.
Yeah. That might work if we were all slimy douchebags like you. As it is, Atheists are far and away statistically more educated and law-abiding than Christians.
God is real.
You can know Him.
Don’t be a fool
We should follow your example and be morons instead? You have nothing to offer. Your ideas are bankrupt, inelegant, ridiculous, incoherent, useless and more to the point, spectacularly unnecessary. Je n’avais pas besoin de cette hypothèse-là!
That, laydeez and gennelmun, was the blog What I Really Think – not endorsed by Mensa.